In response to my last post, Levi is arguing, as Graham has before, that relational ontologies have had their day, that “it is relational and processual thought that has become a habit that prevents us from thinking, not object-oriented thought,” and that “For the last century we’ve repeatedly said ‘things are related’ to such a degree that claims about interdependence, relation, and interconnection have lost a good deal of meaning” and “become stale metaphors and worn coins.” He continues:
“Rather than beginning with relation, context, interdependence, interconnection, etc., what would we learn if we instead thought of autonomous objects perpetually shifting and jumping between relations? My wager is that this would teach us a great deal more in the ecological framework than endless talk of holism and relation. We would begin to ask how substances perturb networks, rather than treating networks as static and fixed systems where all is harmonious and balanced as we tend to do now.”
It’s true that there is a popular view of ecology as positing systems that are, ideally, “harmonious and balanced.” (We might call this the Disney Lion King version of reality.) Ecologists themselves used to speak about certain kinds of networks (ecosystemic “climax communities”) that way in the 1920s and 1930s, and in some cases up to the 1960s or so. Some environmentalists still use those tropes on occasion today. But if everything actually was “harmonious and balanced,” would there be any need for environmentalism at all, since there’d be no need to concern oneself with re-establishing some modicum of “harmony and balance”?
In his previous email, Levi defends objects and substances on political grounds:
Now what follows, in relation to this noble [ethical/political] concern, if you’re an ontological relationist? Well, you certainly can’t theorize any movement beyond oppression or domination. Why? Think it through. Because the object that shifts relations is an entirely different object [my emphasis – ai]. Thereby nothing has been liberated. Rather, we’ve simply gotten a new object. This doesn’t seem too reassuring. What is needed is objects that are mobile and nomadic, objects that enter into relations, while always remaining irreducible to their relations. That, I believe, is what OOO articulates.
But, in itself, how new and different is this? Hasn’t our society institutionalized the presumption that people are, first and foremost, individuals, though they may link up into groups, societies, cultures, corporations, and the like, and that objects are distinct objects (belonging to those people) first and participate in ecological processes only secondarily (if at all)? I know that Levi’s onticological variant is a highly nuanced and new version of it, but doesn’t this independent-objects-entering-into-relations model practically define the modern Western philosophical tradition?
As for Levi’s description of the process-relational position – that “the object that shifts relations is an entirely different object – why should this be the case? Let’s think about it. If objects are defined by their relations, and if all are processes of one kind or another, as a process-relational view would hold, then what happens to an object that shifts relations? Well, it all depends on how it shifts which relations. One cannot speak of relations as if they are all the same. The equivalent, for an objectologist, would be to claim that all objects are identical. Neither claim is a fair characterization of the other position, and it would be helpful if both sides refrained from claiming it about the opposing side. If objects are particular kinds of relational processes -– the kinds that maintain certain formal properties over time (and over multiple sets of relational “shifts”) –- then objects do not become “completely different objects” unless and until those formal properties change or disintegrate in fundamental ways. They can still change some of their relations without fundamentally altering the overall set of relational processes that (self-)constitute them.
So, for instance, a human being does not become a “completely different object” by eating a new kind of breakfast cereal. (Perhaps it takes such mundane examples to show the absurdity of this kind of claim about relational ontologies.) But a human being may temporarily become a somewhat different object by ingesting a hallucinogenic mushroom. The reason why eating Corn Flakes doesn’t fundamentally change the person (and I have to admit some exasperation in detailing something that seems to me so obvious) is that the cereal only affects a small subset of the processes that make up that human, and they affect it in ways that are readily assimilated into the cycles of those processes. A sacred peyote-ingestion ceremony, on the other hand, has an effect that is much more powerful, affecting a larger subset of the processes constituting that person. But these, too, will go away, with the baseline processes returning completely or in partially (and sometimes significantly) altered forms. It’s all about the nature and character, rhythms and periodicities, apertures, trajectories, etc. of the processes that make up the “object” in question. (Process-relational philosophy prefers not to speak of “objects,” since it’s not clear what’s meant by such abstractions, and because Whitehead, at least, uses that term to mean something more specific; but it can certainly speak of things like humans, peyote plants, storm systems, and so on, because we can easily agree that we know what’s being referred to by these terms.)
Levi seems to be assuming here, as Graham has in the past, that if objects are defined by their relations, then somehow all objects become all relations, with no differentiating between any of them. As Levi wrote here:
Rather than a holistic system in which everything is internally related to everything else in a sort of fixed crystalline structure (or, at least, a structure that only unfolds diachronously according to a synchronously structured system), we instead get fleeting and temporary structures where actors or objects can depart from different regimes of relations and thereby come to manifest very different qualities.
The first part is worded as a critique of “relationism,” but it’s a relationism that sounds too much like old structuralist studies of indigenous cultural mythologies or of films or novels, where it’s assumed that the object is more or less set and bounded (but not that the entire universe is). The second part — “fleeting and temporary structures…” — sounds very much like the kind of description I would call “process-relational.” The rest of Levi’s post does as well:
What if instead the social field is composed of independent actors that move in and out of relations, where relations are constantly reconfiguring themselves, where there is far more freedom than we ever expected. If that’s the case, then suddenly the nature of the question changes significantly. Rather than asking how to escape from a holistic field of interdependent relations, we now ask why any set of relations manages to persist at all (this comes as a surprise insofar as objects are external to their relations). We begin to engage in the world of cartography, analyzing the regimes of attraction that bring about rather stable configurations of actors. And through this cartography we begin to local [locate?] weak links, points of passage, points where change is possible, through the severance of certain relations or the introduction of other actors that might modify the network as a whole. Most importantly, we direct our attention not to a subject, but to the organization of situations. In this way we avoid forms of abstraction that are so focused on Act and Subject that they ignore regimes of attraction playing a constraining role on how actors can manifest themselves. We learn something of the world and perhaps, through that knowledge, acquire the means to change it. [emphasis added]
This is, in my view, process-relational ontology in a nutshell, or at least one variant of it. The emphasized bits sound very much like the sorts of material-discursive poststructuralisms being developed in geography, anthropology, and other fields over the last twenty years, and of course like actor-network theory, which is, after all, a network theory. Latour has himself referred to it as “actant-rhizome theory,” and an actant, as we know, is not an “object” with all the properties an ontologist would assign it, but just something that “could be said to act”; and a rhizome is also not an object but a movement, a relational vector.
It’s obvious to me, then, that Levi’s (and Graham’s) object-oriented ontology is very compatible with the kind of process-relational view that I espouse, differing only in its emphasis and its language. As Levi puts it here, citing Harman, “no matter how many points of view on the object you enumerate, even if they go to infinity and eternity, you will never have an unadulterated access to the object precisely because objects are withdrawn.” The process-relationalist agrees that you will never have unadulterated access to the object, but this is not because (a) there are stable objects that (b) aren’t fully stable after all, because they persistently “withdraw”. It is because that’s the nature of reality: things change, withdrawing and deferring and differentiating themselves as they do. What makes it interesting, for a process-relational ontologist, is less what those things are (being) than the ways that they change and can change (becoming). That goes both for the “withdrawing” object and for any object that would try to “have unadulterated access” to that object.
Instead of positing two steps, then -– (1) more or less stable objects, and (2) the qualification that these objects withdraw — the process-relationist posits a world of different kinds of relational processes in which arising/withdrawing/deferring/differentiation is just what happens, the way of all activity, though it arises and develops in different ways. I like the idea that objects “withdraw” -– it’s part of what confirms OOO’s processualism for me (and why I would like to call it object-relational or, even better, object-deconstructive ontology, object-now-here-and-now-gone ontology). But I don’t agree it necessarily makes it an obviously better approach to a world that is always fundamentally in process.
As for the political questions, I’ll leave it up to others -– especially regular folks not steeped in arcane Continental-philosophical debates –- to decide whether or not we already live in a world where everything is thought of in processual and relational terms (only) and where objects and substances are no longer thought to exist (as seems to be the suggestion in Levi’s post).
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A recap on why process-relational ontology is far from obsolete
My belief, if it needs reiterating, is that we -– society at large -– still have not developed a nuanced enough understanding of the nature of relational process, including the many different kinds of relational processes that make up the world. This is why we still put animals in cages (as if the jaguar in a cage is the same as the jaguar in a forest) and dump toxins on our farms (as if the final product is the pest-free corn and not the health of the soil), still produce objects that are guaranteed to be obsolete junk in a few years (as if their making and disposal wasn’t an integral part of them), still buy those objects (as if they will satisfy our cravings for something new and exciting), still send soldiers to war and forget about them when they come back (leaving their partners and kids without health insurance, as is the case with a friend of ours who lives up the road), still expect that we can “win” wars (as if they won’t breed the resentment that will lead to even worse wars), still define people according to fixed gender identities and racial categories, and put people away for life (in this country at least) because they don’t have the means to live in ways that would exercise their creative potential, and so on and so forth.
As long as our society cannot institutionalize the taking into account of where things come from, where they go, and how actions affect the world, now and generations down the line, we still don’t understand the nature of the world. That world is relational and processual: everything unfolds in and through relational interactions over time. Actions, being relational, bind us together or they separate us. All that there is is action, which means relational exchange and process. We, too, are action, or the capacity for it, which is why we can make change –- and do, inherently, with every act of ours. We create ourselves through these acts, which means we create the relations that constitute us, and relations always involve others. We need to better understand the effects of our actions on others, because the world that is produced through our actions (and theirs) is the only world there is.
Objects that remain separate, on the other hand, and that ultimately withdraw into their own shadowy selves from the open space of encounter, are objects that don’t need to take into account such things. They can presume an independence, a freedom, above and beyond the hazardous fray of lively interaction. Establishing such relative independence is not a bad thing: it’s how a planet like ours protects itself from meteors and ultraviolet rays (through building up a thick atmospheric skin), and how humans have managed to squeeze out the capacity to live lives that are long enough to raise children and grandchildren, to write books and craft dramas, to travel the world and come back home to ponder what we saw. But the urge toward the comforts of that kind of independence can become obsessive, compulsive, and toxic. It is itself a relational act, and it is the kind of act that colonial-imperial culture has used to shield itself from the very relational results of its acts upon others. Of course things withdraw from their relations, or from some relations and toward others -– with oneself, one’s memories and fantasies (in our dream lives), and so on. Everything does that to some extent, and nothing is fully definable, describable, and accountable by its relations — because there’s no one there to fully define it, and even if there’d be such a one, an all-seeing, non-processual God, by the time the defining and accounting came to its conclusion, the thing being defined would have been long gone.
The quality of the relations that make up the world is what counts. I think that process-relational thought is aligned here with feminist theory (in all its forms), with anti-racist and anti-/de-/post-colonial thought, with the Marxist and anarchist critiques of oppressive class structures, with the Mahayana Buddhist vow to “liberate” all beings and the Christian vow to help “the least of our brothers” (and sisters), with the pagan and indigenous sense of respect for the cycles of life, and with the poststructuralist account of the networked, relational flux of ideas and concepts and things in general. Ethically and politically, I have no doubt that our object-oriented friends are plowing the same fields as us, and I respect their desire to start from (ontological) scratch so as to create a distinctly new language for thinking about things and the world. In fact, I find their work fascinating, and find its proponents (certainly Levi and Graham, who are the only ones I’ve read a fair bit of now) to be genuinely brilliant and interdisciplinary wide-ranging thinkers. I greet their work with eagerness, and am grateful for their willingness to tolerate and engage my criticisms.
But I don’t, for a moment, think that the “coin” of processes and relations is “stale” and fully spent. If anything, it hasn’t really been cashed in yet. It may seem familiar from its popular and superficial variants (the “Disney ecology” referred to above, structuralisms and textualist poststructuralisms, and so on), but it hasn’t been developed enough yet along the lines that Whitehead, Peirce, Deleuze, and more recently DeLanda, Protevi, Shaviro, and many others have pointed toward, and that would fully engage with the sciences of cognition and consciousness, complexity and nonlinear dynamics, and the like. Arguing that it’s passé is a rhetorical move that will help OOO get some followers among discontented Continental philosophers, but I don’t think it will get much beyond that particular neighborhood. To the extent that it provides a reasoned defense of the need for a different approach to things, I can understand their resorting to it.
Ultimately I believe we are saying very similar things and just emphasizing different, but more or less complementary, aspects of those things. But it’s a difference that makes enough of a difference for us to keep thinking about it.
(I realize that this has turned into a bit of a rant and that it probably would be easy to pick out select pieces of it to critique. Perhaps that’s what I’ve been doing with others’ words, too. I’ll try to do less of that, recognizing instead that certain subarguments will always remain contentious, especially where terms are being used differently (e.g., my “relationism” may not be Levi’s, his “objects” aren’t mine), but that the broader points of agreement, and a general sense of respect, need to be kept central.)
Adrian, well said. I think I can understand why the relationist stance would be held to be no longer cutting-edge, but that it should be dismissed as worn-out seems hasty. Yes, there’s a too-easy circle-of-life pseudo-relationism out there, but in fact thinking relationism through is hard, and counter-intuitive (partly because our thinking is noun-oriented (even if our nouns are “process” and “assemblage” and “network”). After all, if one says “relationships” the next question is, “between what?” and before you know it we’re stuck in a kind of hermeneutic circle again. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that,” but this snag has I think been exploited by those who want to say that there’s a blind spot in relationism. I think this blind spot, if that’s what it is, is as essential as the one in the retina, and in any case is matched by the puzzles attendant upon the assertion that objects “withdraw”–an assertion i certainly see as coherent with the OO project and following from its aims and premises, but which still leaves one with residual questions both epistemological (“how do you know?”) and methodological (“what’s the point?”) Understand that I don’t think these are such liabilities that OO approaches are the obvious losers; at the risk of correlationsim, I see this as a sort of Kantian antinomy. (I [try to] resolve it, myself, by recourse to time vs. eternity, but that’s not everyone’s cuppa.) My main point here is to agree with you that reports of relationism’s having outlived its usefulness are premature– but I think there might be some call for saying that defenders of relationism haven’t yet thought through all the difficulties, and indeed some of these may be intractable on the level of discourse. (Nagarjuna certainly seems to have thought so.)
I am very much enjoying this exchange between you and Levi. There is some great stuff here and you make some very important points. Also, your blog is a sheer pleasure to read with its high and cool contrasts of blue and white. Very sharp!
I am reading John Deely’s ‘Intentionality and Semiotics: a story of mutual fecondation’ (2007), and I thought his comments on ‘substance’ might be of interest.
For me it shows how much we have forgotten our precursors. It also makes me more convinced that there is no absolutely withdrawn object, a la G. Harman.
Levi’s objects are not, it seems, abs withdrawn, just not fully manifesting all at once…
What follows is Deely’s argument:
Substances are not ‘absolutely absolute’ but ‘relatively absolute’.
Substance has a dependency on being in an environmental niche.
It is the modern notion of substance (typified by Kant) as an absolutely indep (and ultimately unknowable) substrate that ignores this dependency. Only logically does a being exist apart from and prior to its relations; existentially a being depends on its relations.
“The substance that Aquinas and Poinsot understood from Aristotle, above and before all else, needs to be understood as a unified centre of actions and interactions which is not a ‘part’ of a larger whole in the sense of a whole unified by a single intrinsic principle…but is yet indeed a ‘part’ of a larger whole in the sense of an ecosphere constituted by many distinct forms of life and sustained by their interactions, apart from which neither the individual forms or life nor the ecosphere was a whole would long endure.”(p.140).
Or as G. Bateson liked to say the unit of survival is organism + environment.
This is the opposite of Kant in his first published work Thoughts on theTrue Estimation of Living forces, (1749):
“Since every self-sufficient being contains within itself the complete source of all its determinations, it is not necessary for its existence that it stand in relation to other things. Substances can therefore exist, and yet have no outer relations to things, nor stand in any actual connection with them.”
What does this remind you of! A very withdrawn being….
This ‘scholastic’ understanding of substance seems tailor made for ecological thought.
What I am far from persuaded of is the claim that inanimate objects have intentional relations/objects. In fact, I think it’s extremely unlikely. But that requires a theory of psyche which I won’t even begin to discuss. This post is way to long already.
Things in themselves are not the problem, for there cannot be many without there being ones, as Aristotle noted. The qualifier ‘unknowable’ is the ‘meaningless surplusage’ (Peirce (CP 5.525).
Just browsing Arg Dot Org and came across this old piece by Varela on ‘The Biology of Intentionality’:
A short extract…:
A second, complementary dimension of basic biologic
that is central to focus our discussion is the
nature of the relationship between autopoietic autonomous
unities and their environment. It is exhypothesis
evident that an autopoietic system depends
on its physico-chemical mileu for its conservation
as a separate entity, otherwise it would dissolve
back into it. Whence the intriguing paradoxicality
proper to an autonomous identity: the living system
must distinguish itself from its environment, while
at the same time maintaining its coupling; this linkage
cannot be detached since it is against this very
environment from which the organism arises comes
forth. Now, in this dialogic coupling between the
living unity and the physico-chemical environment,
the balance is slightly weighted towards the living
since it has the active role in this reciprocal coupling.
In dening what it is as unity, in the very
same movement it denes what remains exterior to
it, that is to say, its surrounding environment. A
closer examination also makes it evident that this
exteriorization can only be understood, so to speak,
from the \inside”: the autopoietic unity creates a
perspective from which the exterior is one, which
cannot be confused with the physical surroundings
as they appear to us as observers, the land of physical
and chemical laws simpliciter, devoid of such
perspectivism.
To Skholiast – Yes, I agree with you that “thinking relationism through” is quite hard work, and that the best we have, for the most part, are indications and incomplete systems (Whitehead’s, Deleuze’s, et al), at least by philosophical standards.
I don’t think that relational and processual approaches have been given their due in philosophy, in part because the many relationisms that are out there (western, Asian, et al) have hardly been brought together into a coherent conversation, let alone synthesized into a foolproof, leak-proof ontology. Many of those who have tried haven’t necessarily used these terms (relationism, process philosophy), though there are some anthologies and summaries of process philosophy (like Nicholas Rescher’s) that at least establish the existence of the tradition… All of that contributes to my disappointment that well-read philosophers like Harman are so quick to dismiss the whole effort, as if it’s been played out already when it (to me) so clearly hasn’t been.
And maybe it’s true, as you suggest, that the level of discourse alone will never quite ‘get it’ all. But I think it can point to it (as Nagarjuna and other mystics have all probably known).
To Joseph – Thanks for you kind comments. I’ve appreciated your comments on other blogs (despite taking you up on that issue recently on Levi’s).
To Paul – Thanks for the Deely & Varela quotes. The Deely ones are particularly intriguing! I’ve got a few things of his on my reading list (Four Ages of Understanding being the major one), but I’ve just gone and requested a copy of this book for my campus library (thanks to your recommendation).
Cheers.
Adrian
As Adrian says, Paul, these quotes were right on target. Any revival of substance and essence needs to take these distinctions into account. And these quotes addressed precisely the questions I had when Graham wrote (8/22 “relationism continued”) that
“The main problem, I insist, is that the continental philosophy ZEITGEIST still thinks: ‘Rock-hard substance, bad. Silky-smooth contexts and processes, good. Essence, bad and oppressive. Identity as performance, good and liberating”.
This is certainly NOT a characterization of Adrian’s position. Nor does this describe the attitudes in process-relational thought of the Peirce, Dewey, and Whitehead varieties.
Even as an amateur, I would dare to suggest another forgotten philosopher who probably had at least some influence on Xavier Zubiri; namely, George Santayana and his REALMS OF BEING: ESSENCE (1927), MATTER (1930), TRUTH (1937), and SPIRIT (1940). If I had the time, I might even compare these to SKY, EARTH, GODS and MORTALS, respectively..
But, it seems all for naught, since nearly every response from the OO camp seems to be, as Adrian suggests in this post, “a rhetorical move that will help OOO get some followers among discontented Continental philosophers”.
4 Ages is a big bk!
New Beginnings is a good intro. The Semiotics and Intentionality bk is challenging as an intro.
A great book to get the library to buy is Deely’s new “on Purely Objective Reality’
http://www.degruyter.de/cont/fb/sk/detailEn.cfm?id=IS-9781934078075-1
He needs to sell 40 copies so that they bring it out in paperback at an accessible price….
Gotta go for now but the concept of vicarious causality and ‘vicars’ is central to latin scholasticism and the doctrine of the ‘species’ or specifying forms. This is connected with scholastic ‘intentionality’ which has nothing to do with Brentano’s intentionality except the name…Brentano was orig a catholic priest who knew Aquinas’ work well. He takes the term from their but castrates it.
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