{"id":215,"date":"2010-05-19T23:30:27","date_gmt":"2010-05-20T03:30:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.uvm.edu\/udl-2010conference\/?page_id=215"},"modified":"2010-05-19T23:30:38","modified_gmt":"2010-05-20T03:30:38","slug":"211-david-rose-transcripts","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/blog.uvm.edu\/udl-2010conference\/session-notes-and-comments\/211-david-rose-transcripts\/","title":{"rendered":"#211 &#8211; David Rose Transcripts"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div><strong>If there are images in  this attachment, they will not be displayed.<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/mail.google.com\/mail\/?view=att&amp;th=128b19c19492814d&amp;attid=0.1&amp;disp=attd&amp;zw\">Download  the original attachment<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">UDL Conference<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">David Rose<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">1:00-2:15pm<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Sugar Maple Ballroom <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Davis Center<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Let&#8217;s begin.\u00a0 We&#8217;re going  to be passing around a microphone for questions.\u00a0 I want this to  be a more discussion-oriented session.\u00a0 Are there any comments  and questions that you have?\u00a0 I&#8217;m going to write them down to get  them together a bit.\u00a0 Let&#8217;s hear any comments or questions that  you have. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I was very  curious about a lot of the programs that you showed us in terms of  cost.\u00a0  Are they available to everyone?\u00a0 Can my son use them online?\u00a0  Do school systems have to subscribe to them? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Cindy.\u00a0  I just have a comment on the scholastic program.\u00a0 Someone with  Asperger syndrome will be caught up when she reads &#8220;diving deeper.&#8221;\u00a0  That&#8217;s something to think about when you look at the captioning issue. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 That&#8217;s a great  comment.\u00a0 They&#8217;ll take it literally. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I haven&#8217;t  quite formulated it in my mind, but I was thinking about how  neuroscience  connects with the changes from the adolescent brain to the adult brain,  particularly in terms of engagement.\u00a0 Does UDL need to adapt to  the adolescent brain?\u00a0 I&#8217;m a special educator in a middle school.\u00a0  How does UDL need to adapt to middle school aged kids, as opposed to  college-aged adult learners? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 You had  commented on brain development and the strategic planning part of the  brain that can develop at different rates or ages.\u00a0 Understanding  this, how does it impact our assessment of reading development? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 You&#8217;re concerned  with the maturational issue. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 Yes, because  kids struggle with reading, and then in turn we say that they have a  learning disability. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Rachel,  and I&#8217;m a recent graduate of the neuroscience program here at UVM.\u00a0  I&#8217;m curious about all of these fun activities that are technology  savvy.\u00a0  What happens when the middle school teacher isn&#8217;t comfortable with the  technology?\u00a0 People have to be properly trained in order to employ  these tools. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Jodie.\u00a0  If a student feels threatened when they&#8217;re called to read, can it be  reversed?\u00a0 Is there a time when they will feel it as a challenge,  as opposed to a threat? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Maria.\u00a0  My question is simple.\u00a0 What&#8217;s the difference, in your mind, between  the UDI model and the UDL model? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Suzie.\u00a0  In the greater Burlington area, people have been trying to encourage  the school district to hire more teachers of color.\u00a0 We have 3%  of teachers of color, and 25% children of color.\u00a0 I&#8217;m wondering  about stress and threat level and it&#8217;s association with this fact. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Haley,  from UVM.\u00a0 Can the hippocampus grow back? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Mary-Beth.\u00a0  You talked about effective ways to communicate information to  individuals,  but you didn&#8217;t touch on ways for those individuals to communicate with  educators and other students.\u00a0 I do a lot of work around effective  communication practice, and I worry about the loss of tone and body  language when you incorporate technology into communication. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m Jean.\u00a0  Going back to the threat\/challenge issue, is there a way to assess where   a student is when she divides something between a threat and a  challenge? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Male Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m wondering  if you&#8217;ve come up with ways for preparing faculty to understand  invisible  disabilities.\u00a0 They&#8217;re sometimes met with resistance, because of  student performance.\u00a0 For those of us who aren&#8217;t neuroscientists,  how can we get the message across to teachers without the brain scans  and the language? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 I think that&#8217;s  enough to get us started.\u00a0 I&#8217;m expecting you to interrupt and ask  questions.\u00a0 I want to go with some of the problems first, like  cost and professional development.\u00a0 These are two typical barriers. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">The things that I showed and  that Skip will show range from no cost to very expensive.\u00a0 The  example I gave isn&#8217;t sold to individuals, but it&#8217;s sold to schools.\u00a0  The school buys a site license.\u00a0 It&#8217;s pricy; it&#8217;s meant to replace  the school library.\u00a0 That&#8217;d be horrible to say, but it&#8217;s meant  to be comprehensive way that a wide variety of students can build their  research, writing, and organizing skills.\u00a0 I should know the price,  but I don&#8217;t.\u00a0 The book builder and things like that are free.\u00a0  There&#8217;s a ton of them now, and they&#8217;re quite amazing.\u00a0 The project  that we&#8217;re doing with Google will be free. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I don&#8217;t know where the pricing  is going.\u00a0 Scholastic has taken a comprehensive high-end approach.\u00a0  Read 180 is a big elephant thing that is very popular; there are  thousands  of schools on it now.\u00a0 It&#8217;s very expensive.\u00a0 It&#8217;s 25,000 dollars  for a site license.\u00a0 They don&#8217;t sell to teachers, but to  superintendents,  who want to have a district-wide solution.\u00a0 All the publishers  are in disarray about how they&#8217;re going to work in this digital world.\u00a0  They&#8217;re not sure how to go about doing this.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t think that,  ultimately, everything free will work. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">The project we&#8217;re doing with  Google is potentially very different.\u00a0 There are these little books,  which are interesting as pedagogies.\u00a0 Google&#8217;s going to have their  own version of e-books coming out soon.\u00a0 It&#8217;s the equivalent of  the kindle, but you read it on your laptop or phone.\u00a0 They&#8217;ll charge  something, but I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;ll charge.\u00a0 We&#8217;re proposing  to them, and are working on, sending some examples of pedagogies that  go with books.\u00a0 We&#8217;d make a bunch of examples, and would encourage  thousands of teachers using them.\u00a0 We&#8217;d have a book, but it&#8217;s not  good by itself.\u00a0 It&#8217;s an inert thing, but you can wrap around it  all sorts of things that can make it strongly educative.\u00a0 Teachers  need to do that, rather than authors.\u00a0 Somebody who knows about  pedagogy needs to do this. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Here&#8217;s an example of something  that I think would be really cool.\u00a0 Imagine that Google puts out  all of these digital books.\u00a0 What are the pedagogy things that  we can do to that?\u00a0 We&#8217;ve made a highlighter that allows you to  look at the book and highlight and annotate it.\u00a0 You&#8217;ll be able  to highlight and and write something about it, like &#8220;this is a  complex sentence.&#8221;\u00a0 That&#8217;s no big deal.\u00a0 The big deal  is showing where this can go.\u00a0 Suppose that you&#8217;re teaching your  kids to find the main point.\u00a0 They have digital books, and they  go in and highlight.\u00a0 With an ordinary highlighter, you&#8217;d spend  a lot of time trying to find out if they understand it.\u00a0 This is  a lot of trouble for you, and the kids get the feedback too late.\u00a0  With the digital highlighter tool, it&#8217;ll grab the whole book, and then  you&#8217;ll be able to see instantly where your students highlighted. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">You, as a teacher, can first  highlight it yourself.\u00a0 You read the book and highlight it.\u00a0  The kid comes along, reads the book, and then is asked to highlight  the main points.\u00a0 The kid can compare her highlights to the teacher&#8217;s  highlights.\u00a0 That&#8217;s not the big deal.\u00a0 The big deal is that,  because we&#8217;re on the web, we can have the whole class highlight a  chapter.\u00a0  Imagine that you&#8217;re doing a science unit, and you want your students  to highlight the main points.\u00a0 Everybody highlights, and the more  kids who highlight a sentence, the brighter that sentence looks.\u00a0  This will make it a good guide for me as a reader.\u00a0 If my highlights  aren&#8217;t there, and every student highlights a certain sentence, then  that shows me that I may be off-target. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">That&#8217;s just a little widget.\u00a0  If books are digital, you can literally have a teacher highlight a book  for kids, or you can have all of the kids highlight it.\u00a0 You can  highlight everything that&#8217;s a pro in red, or a con in blue.\u00a0 It  allows you to grab things from the text and make sense of it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">With Google, we&#8217;re going to make  a bunch of these applications that will be useful to teachers.\u00a0  We&#8217;ll essentially say, to Google, to let teachers make more things like  this that would help.\u00a0 Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re reading <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Brave New World<\/span>,  and one teacher&#8217;s already made a pedagogy app for it.\u00a0 She may  sell it for a buck, or give it away to her friends.\u00a0 It&#8217;d be cool  if teachers could make money making and selling apps that made <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Brave  New World<\/span> a much more instructive book.\u00a0 You&#8217;ll get the book,  and you&#8217;ll get Cynthia&#8217;s annotations of it.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a better book  with that application, not because you&#8217;re changing the book, but because   you&#8217;re changing the pedagogy.\u00a0 That, I think, would be a cool future.\u00a0  It&#8217;s valued because the teachers can make the pedagogy.\u00a0 So far,  this is pretty interesting. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Schmitt, the CEO, asked, &#8220;isn&#8217;t  there some way that teachers can be stars on the Internet?&#8221;\u00a0  You see people make stupid little game apps, but we&#8217;re going to be  making  pedagogy apps.\u00a0 Hopefully somebody will know somebody in Idaho  who&#8217;s a fabulous teacher, who wants to make an app.\u00a0 The way in  which all of this works will change.\u00a0 I think it&#8217;ll be great if  the book&#8217;s content were essentially free.\u00a0 Who cares?\u00a0 Content&#8217;s  nothing.\u00a0 I think it&#8217;d be cool if people paid a lot for the pedagogy,  for the things that the teacher did to make it really instructive.\u00a0  Any book is fine, but you&#8217;ll want the app that Cynthia made. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I think everybody&#8217;s going to  want our highlighter and heat map.\u00a0 The redder something looks,  the more kids think it&#8217;s important.\u00a0 A lot of you like to buy used  books instead of new books, because you can see what other people think  of as important. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 I had a  visceral response, and it wasn&#8217;t the same.\u00a0 In response to the  highlighting tool, I worry that when we get into how cool the tool is,  everything turns backwards, and we talk to teachers, and decide to teach   a lesson a certain way.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not that way.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t want  to have a teacher or work with a teacher who wants to use the app, but  I want to work with the teacher who&#8217;s goal-driven.\u00a0 I think that  every time we talk about a digital school, we should talk about the  other ways we can meet our education goals. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 There are some  things that are better-done without any technology.\u00a0 The ability  to quickly share and see what everybody did is one of the ways in which  this technology works.\u00a0 You can&#8217;t go around the class and look  at everyone&#8217;s highlighter, but I think that the highlighter tool is  a good use of technology for this reason. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 When we&#8217;re  not in a digital divide. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 The issue of,  &#8220;we shouldn&#8217;t have a digital divide&#8221; is an issue of major  concern.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t want everybody to have a poor education because  we&#8217;re not aggressively making sure that everyone has an equal  education.\u00a0  I don&#8217;t want equal and poor education.\u00a0 We need to demonstrate  that it&#8217;s too powerful to not do it.\u00a0 One of the reservations,  of course, is the cost.\u00a0 I think we have to look at the expenses  of not doing it right.\u00a0 Those are huge!\u00a0 The social, long-term  cost for under-educating our students are gigantic.\u00a0 I think that  the cost of building gated communities are the cost of great  inequities.\u00a0  You&#8217;re paying a lot of money to protect yourself because we have such  inequity in our culture. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">We just did an article on how  to do UDL without technology.\u00a0 It&#8217;s important to be able to do  it without the technology.\u00a0 The kids in poor communities need to  have a good education.\u00a0 Those kids are not being prepared for their  future.\u00a0 That&#8217;s a gigantic divide.\u00a0 I love your argument.\u00a0  We don&#8217;t want to say, &#8220;it&#8217;s okay to not have good tools in poor  classrooms.&#8221;\u00a0 We need to know that it&#8217;s not okay.\u00a0 I  love to use the UDL disability argument, to say that it&#8217;s not okay and  it&#8217;s illegal.\u00a0 Even in a poor community, the federal government  has to provide UDL, or else people can sue.\u00a0 Right now, poor people  can&#8217;t sue, but people with disabilities can. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 At the  same time, you don&#8217;t want someone to say, &#8220;I can&#8217;t do UDL until  I have computers first.&#8221; <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 I absolutely  agree.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t want them to not do it, but I don&#8217;t want them to  sacrifice the quality of education either. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Male Student:\u00a0 Maybe the  flip side of her original comment is to think about the tool that you&#8217;re   describing from the flip side.\u00a0 As a teacher, you get immediate  feedback from who&#8217;s getting your point and who&#8217;s not.\u00a0 The other  benefit of the tool is that there&#8217;s an online environment with  asynchronous  education going on. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 The great thing  is that the highlighter tool is free, and the stuff on the web is free.\u00a0   I could tell my students to go to the US Constitution site, and have  them show me which things are pro-colonies.\u00a0 It&#8217;s free, and the  tool is free because it&#8217;s open source.\u00a0 I can get immediate feedback  from what the kids did, and what the kids didn&#8217;t do.\u00a0 I get immediate  feedback. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">In education, we don&#8217;t do well  at having a self-improving cycle of teaching.\u00a0 We don&#8217;t know what  works.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t.\u00a0 I still teach poorly in my own classes.\u00a0  We know, within minutes, whether the kids got our point with the  highlighting  tool.\u00a0 The key is to say that the lesson did or didn&#8217;t work.\u00a0  You have a self-improving thing that you can fix quickly, and you can  say it or do it another way.\u00a0 We don&#8217;t get that in education.\u00a0  When I give a lecture, people go away and I&#8217;m not sure for a year  whether  it was effective or not.\u00a0 People will do ratings, but that&#8217;s not  rating whether my students have learned anything.\u00a0 With the highlighting   tool, I was able to tell, in a minute, when I wasn&#8217;t clear.\u00a0 The  hard part is to remind teacher that the highlighting tool is  self-evaluative,  rather than to think &#8220;that kid was pretty dumb.&#8221;\u00a0 As  we&#8217;re building these kinds of environments, we need to think of them  as self-improving. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">In the NSF environment, there  are two evaluations.\u00a0 First, on the students and how they&#8217;re doing.\u00a0  Second, on the curriculum.\u00a0 The key is to grade the curriculum  and the lesson. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 When Charlie  introduced you this morning, he told you about a book that you had  written. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 It&#8217;s just a  chapter of a book.\u00a0 It has poverty in the title.\u00a0 It&#8217;s edited  by Susan Newmann.\u00a0 She wrote a book on poverty and education, and  I wrote a chapter in it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I want to get back to talking  about the barriers.\u00a0 One barrier is cost.\u00a0 It is a barrier  because, even though some of the things that we do are free, they&#8217;re  not all free.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t think that all free is a good long-term  solution.\u00a0 I think that teachers should be highly valued and rewarded  well, and that they&#8217;ll get better stuff.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t like the idea  that education is a give-away, and that entertainment is expensive.\u00a0  I don&#8217;t come down on the side of free.\u00a0 I&#8217;d love it if there were  some teachers out there that were famous and rich, because they made  the best piece of pedagogy.\u00a0 It&#8217;s online, easy to get, and everybody  gets it and pays the two bucks.\u00a0 There are phone apps where people  get about 8000 dollars in a week because people are buying their apps  for a dollar. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">The things that I think will  be ultimately successful will be to build teacher development directly  into the student materials.\u00a0 Things like a teachers edition in  a traditional textbook are never there when they&#8217;re needed.\u00a0 They&#8217;re  not very useful.\u00a0 Similarly, if you have something that is professional  development that happens after school or in the summer or in a separate  program, it&#8217;s never there when you need it.\u00a0 When we do our research,  we find out that if you had supports for the kids that are strong and  good, it helps the teacher too, and it reminds the teacher of how  pedagogy  works. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I think making the tools and  scaffolds available to kids and teachers at all times has been more  powerful than anything else that we&#8217;ve done.\u00a0 We have started to  put mentors in for teachers when the teacher doesn&#8217;t know what to do  or where to go with a lesson.\u00a0 You need a much longer apprenticeship.\u00a0  Good teaching is hard to do, and the idea that you can have something  happen in the summer and that you&#8217;ll be great at it when you have 25  kids won&#8217;t happen for many people.\u00a0 We need much more supportive  environments where people can learn, and we need tools which are much  more helpful and supportive for the students. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I fell apart earlier, and I can&#8217;t   think when things are going wrong.\u00a0 I wanted a &#8220;help&#8221;  button to help me out earlier today.\u00a0 Teachers are in that category  as well, not just about the technology, but with regards to certain  students, too.\u00a0 My daughter&#8217;s in medical school, and I love the  medical school apprenticeship.\u00a0 She&#8217;ll have gone to school for  four years, and will need to have three more years of being with someone   who&#8217;s really good at medicine, before anybody allows her to practice.\u00a0  She should be incredibly well-trained. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Male Student:\u00a0 I&#8217;m not trying  to make you feel better, but having trouble with the computer didn&#8217;t  make any difference.\u00a0 If your slides had worked 100%, I don&#8217;t think  that the real impact for me would&#8217;ve been much greater.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a  reminder to me that traditional teaching makes the real impact, because  of the quality of the material. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 The most powerful  lecture I give, the one that people write me about later, is when I&#8217;m  talking about affect.\u00a0 When I&#8217;m talking about affect, I do the  brain stuff, and then I say, &#8220;I am incredibly stressed out before  every lecture.\u00a0 I&#8217;m incredibly nervous.\u00a0 I go to the same  restaurant, and they start cooking my cheeseburger special, because  I do what kids with autism do.\u00a0 I ritualize things when I&#8217;m anxious.\u00a0  I need to ritualize the hour before class, because I&#8217;m too anxious.\u00a0  I can&#8217;t be thinking about what I&#8217;m going to eat or have a conversation  with anybody.\u00a0 I need to be in my ritual mode, and it takes me  a while to get into class.&#8221;\u00a0 I talk about the things that  I try to do to manage that anxiety.\u00a0 The reason I do it is because  I want them to know that I&#8217;m nervous, and that I&#8217;m intentionally doing  things to try to manage that.\u00a0 I can&#8217;t make it go away; that anxiety  is a symptom of my nervous system working. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I&#8217;m very worried about the things   that are going to go well.\u00a0 We should be teaching kids that there  are things that you can do.\u00a0 It&#8217;s not bad to be anxious, and you&#8217;re  not a bad teacher because you&#8217;re anxious.\u00a0 I want people to know  that I do these things, and I talk about what I do to manage my own  anxiety for about an hour.\u00a0 What is my plan for being anxious is  what gets me to learn.\u00a0 I need a plan, because I&#8217;m going to be  anxious. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Changing your anxiety is really  hard.\u00a0 Saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to be anxious&#8221; doesn&#8217;t  do it.\u00a0 When people say, &#8220;don&#8217;t be anxious,&#8221; that has  never helped anyone in the universe.\u00a0 Giving people more resources  doesn&#8217;t remove anxiety. As educators, it&#8217;s better to say, &#8220;you&#8217;re  going to be anxious as a teacher.&#8221;\u00a0 A lot of people are anxious  as teachers.\u00a0 You need to know the things that people do to manage  their anxiety. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I read this great book by Bill  Russell, the legendary center for the Boston Celtics.\u00a0 He was incredibly   anxious before games; he would throw up before all the games.\u00a0  I try to tell my students that being anxious is what made him great,  and that being anxious is okay to feel.\u00a0 I wish we spent more time  with kids teaching them how to manage their anxiety rather than having  them memorize the state capitals. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Male Student:\u00a0 I like what  you said.\u00a0 I&#8217;m curious.\u00a0 I would seem to me that, in gauging  students, you want a certain amount of anxiety and curiosity as a  motivating  factor.\u00a0 If there&#8217;s not some expectation or challenge or concern,  it seems like learning would be difficult. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 That&#8217;s right.\u00a0  A new set of words came to me.\u00a0 We want kids to be in a state of  challenge all the time.\u00a0 Boredom is worse than other kids of stress,  because you have the stress that boredom causes, and you&#8217;re not learning   anything.\u00a0 Stress is a challenger.\u00a0 The phrase I want to teach  you is, &#8220;education is about presenting desirable difficulties.&#8221;\u00a0  We need to pose challenges to kids; it&#8217;s the only way they&#8217;ll learn.\u00a0  UDL is about removing the undesirable difficulties, and the things that  are not relevant to what we&#8217;re teaching that some kids find as  barriers. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">We had a moment where it gave  her a sense of what UDL is, which is not reducing challenge.\u00a0 Many  people think that UDL is about making learning easier, and that&#8217;s not  what it is.\u00a0 The problem is that we confuse a bunch of challenges  together, and some kids aren&#8217;t challenged.\u00a0 They&#8217;re surmounting  undesirable difficulties, but we want the desirable difficulties.\u00a0  With UDL, we want to remove as many of the undesirable difficulties  as we can so that we can elevate the desirable difficulties.\u00a0 UDL  is about learning.\u00a0 If you don&#8217;t have challenges, then you won&#8217;t  have learning.\u00a0 UDL requires that some things are very hard.\u00a0  If I never have to teach a class, I never learn to manage my anxiety.\u00a0  Kids need hard things, but they don&#8217;t need hard things in boxes that  they can&#8217;t open.\u00a0 Inside, there should be wonderfully challenging,  long-term desirable difficulties. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I have another phrase that I  want to tell you that I learned down in Washington.\u00a0 You know about  separating the means from the ends.\u00a0 Knowing what your goal is  is critical in education.\u00a0 You may have multiple means to get there.\u00a0  It&#8217;s separating the means from the ends.\u00a0 It says that everybody  needs to get to the top of the path.\u00a0 They told me their language  and how the new set that&#8217;s coming out is going to be tight on goals,  and lose on means.\u00a0 Rather than saying, &#8220;you have to do it  this way,&#8221; they&#8217;re saying, &#8220;be right on goals.\u00a0 You must  accomplish this, but you have a wide variety of ways to get there.&#8221;\u00a0  UDL is about setting high goals, and giving lots of ways to meet those  goals. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Is there a way to assess the  threat\/challenge distinction?\u00a0 Can you tell when a kid is under  threat or challenged?\u00a0 I think that good teachers are good at assessing  this.\u00a0 Teaching is emotional work.\u00a0 In reality, the powerful  thing a good teacher does is emotional work; they&#8217;re able to recognize,  in their kids, the difference between challenging or threatening works.\u00a0   A good psychiatrist, when they hear their patient talk, mirrors her  patient.\u00a0 When psychologists are under too much pressure, like  where a holocaust has happened, the psychologists become exhausted,  and then can&#8217;t be effective.\u00a0 I think that good teachers are doing  emotional work, which is why you feel burned out and tired after class.\u00a0   The emotional work is very draining. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Male Student:\u00a0 When you  talk about the lecture that you got the most positive feedback for,  it&#8217;s one in which you&#8217;re talking about your emotional self.\u00a0 This  is probably why it&#8217;s powerful enough for people to comment on it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 I always want  to say to teachers, &#8220;choose something you&#8217;re not good at, and let  your students watch you learn.&#8221;\u00a0 Have your kids see you learn.\u00a0  Have your students write down something so that you can remember it  for the next class. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Is there a way to assess?\u00a0  Our faces are like radiators.\u00a0 Some people are very good at reading  them, and actors and actresses are good at making their faces be a  radiator  of emotion. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">My mother was a great teacher.\u00a0  She had worked at the LD center at Curry College.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t think  she know a diphthong from a phoneme, but she knew when to change what  she was doing with a kid.\u00a0 She also knew how to identify what was  good about her students.\u00a0 A lot of schooling seems bent on finding  out what&#8217;s wrong with kids, but my mother found the good things in  kids.\u00a0  She wouldn&#8217;t stop until she&#8217;d find something that her students were  good at, and she&#8217;d make every student practice that every day. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Female Student:\u00a0 When you&#8217;re  talking about tools for education, a lot of what we were talking about  were online resources and ways to better communicate information to  students.\u00a0 The other side to communication is their ability to  communicate back.\u00a0 When we talk about technological tools for  communication,  we eliminate about 93% of effective communication.\u00a0 How does this  get addressed? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">Professor:\u00a0 I think that  the body is a fabulous communicating instrument.\u00a0 The face is a  fabulous communicative tool.\u00a0 Even in sign language, the face is  a key part of conveying meaning.\u00a0 I like that the new media are  richer in the ability to narrate those channels.\u00a0 Text is the most  eviscerated, and there&#8217;s such few things to use to carry the prosody  and things that are rich with information, both orally and visually.\u00a0  I would never want technology to replace face-to-face communication.\u00a0  It&#8217;s interesting; I have all sorts of technology I could use, and I  still teach face-to-face in a classroom.\u00a0 I didn&#8217;t talk about this  today, but I videotape everything, and people take notes on everything.\u00a0   There&#8217;s at least three ways to get everything that&#8217;s said in my class,  without coming to class.\u00a0 I think it&#8217;s interesting that I show  up and that the students do.\u00a0 I could make the video tape at home,  and send it to everybody.\u00a0 Every piece of information would be  there, but we hate to do that.\u00a0 We still go to see movies at a  theater because the social contagion is very important.\u00a0 You&#8217;ve  all showed up live here, and we could&#8217;ve put this on video.\u00a0 The  human connection carries way more information, including how we&#8217;re all  doing as a group.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going away soon.\u00a0  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re replace that, Phoenix University aside. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">What about the technology  frightened  teacher?\u00a0 This is very common.\u00a0 If you have a 60-year-old  teacher, and you&#8217;re trying to get her to use technology effectively,  I&#8217;d ask for pictures of their grandchildren.\u00a0 You go through affect;  you go through what&#8217;s important.\u00a0 You&#8217;ll put those pictures in,  and you&#8217;ll show them how to send pictures of each other every day.\u00a0  With kids, you find out what&#8217;s important to them.\u00a0 With teachers,  then send them home and have them learn to communicate with their grand  children over the summer with a computer.\u00a0 I think that you&#8217;ll  make more progress that way. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">The typical ways that we reverse  threats are deconditioning the processes.\u00a0 It&#8217;s a very slow process,  and that&#8217;s why you go through things like anxiety management.\u00a0  When you&#8217;re anxious about flying in an airplane, you take baby steps  to get over the anxiety.\u00a0 Kids who are terrified of their classrooms  will still have anxiety issues when she&#8217;s in a new classroom.\u00a0  The more immediate thing to do is to go straight to the kid, and say,  &#8220;I bet this makes you anxious.\u00a0 Let&#8217;s talk about what you  can do when this happens.&#8221;\u00a0 This would be the same for adults  as well.\u00a0 Adults are much more in control of these things than  kids. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I wish we could spend more time  in school having kids manage their own brains.\u00a0 This is what we  do throughout our lives, and we seem to be resistant to wanting to do  that.\u00a0 We&#8217;ll want to give them information, which is easy to get  when you need it.\u00a0 You need to know what you&#8217;re good at, and what  you&#8217;re bad at, and how to make a better mix in your life of those  things.\u00a0  You&#8217;ll need to know how to manage.\u00a0 These are fabulous learning  devices, but each one requires its own tricks.\u00a0 You need to know  your nervous system, and you need to know how to manage it.\u00a0 I  wish that we spent most of our time doing that.\u00a0 The assessment  needs to be providing information to curriculum developers, and  information  to the kids to tell them what&#8217;s working for them.\u00a0 This is why  I like the highlighting tool, because it provides you with immediate  feedback. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">I think it&#8217;s important to have  a grip on who you are and where you&#8217;re going in the future. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">We have to stop.\u00a0 I&#8217;m sorry  that I wasn&#8217;t able to get to all of the questions.\u00a0 Thank you. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">[Applause.] <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: medium\">[End of class.] <\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If there are images in this attachment, they will not be displayed. 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