{"id":5049,"date":"2011-07-19T10:48:14","date_gmt":"2011-07-19T15:48:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.uvm.edu\/aivakhiv\/?p=5049"},"modified":"2011-07-19T17:19:34","modified_gmt":"2011-07-19T22:19:34","slug":"on-theismnihilism-other-things","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.uvm.edu\/aivakhiv\/2011\/07\/19\/on-theismnihilism-other-things\/","title":{"rendered":"On theism\/nihilism &amp; other things"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Speculative Realist blogosphere has recently been alight with debates  over the role of religion, God, theism versus nihilism, the secular and  the &#8220;post-secular,&#8221; and other such things. Since these are topics I&#8217;m  naturally interested, and somewhat invested, in, I ought to participate,  but time constraints have made that all but impossible for me recently.<\/p>\n<p>(One of those constraints is a trip this week    to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.carsoncenter.uni-muenchen.de\/index.html\">Rachel  Carson Center<\/a> in Munich for &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.carsoncenter.uni-muenchen.de\/events_conf_seminars\/calendar\/ecocinema_july11\/index.html\">Moving Environments: Affect, Emotion, and  Ecocinema<\/a>,&#8221; about which I intend to blog, and perhaps live-blog, while  there. I leave tomorrow, so stay tuned for more on that.)<\/p>\n<p>Adam&#8217;s post <a href=\"http:\/\/knowledge-ecology.com\/2011\/07\/13\/nihilism-theology-and-the-limits-of-blogging\/\">Knowledge Ecology<\/a> provides a useful way into these discussions, but see also these posts  at <a href=\"http:\/\/footnotes2plato.com\/2011\/07\/13\/srooo-and-nihilism-a-response-to-harman-and-bryant\/\">Footnotes to Plato<\/a> (and <a href=\"http:\/\/footnotes2plato.com\/2011\/07\/16\/1263\/\">this one<\/a>), <a href=\"http:\/\/plasticbodies.wordpress.com\/2011\/07\/13\/the-nihilism-question\/\">Plastic Bodies<\/a>,  <a href=\"http:\/\/immanenttranscedence.blogspot.com\/2011\/07\/response-to-ooo-debates-part-ii-from.html\">Immanent Transcendence<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/larvalsubjects.wordpress.com\/2011\/07\/13\/nihilism\/\">Larval Subjects<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/afterxnature.blogspot.com\/2011\/07\/nihilism.html\">After Nature<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.uvm.edu\/aivakhiv\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/wordpress\/img\/trans.gif?w=500&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" \/>Just  for the record, though, the  process-relational ontology I&#8217;ve been  carving out  would see  all such categories &#8212; religion, transcendence,  deity, secularity, and  so on (and let&#8217;s treat them as categories  for  the moment) &#8212; as products  of the human process of making sense of real  things, i.e. real <em>experiences<\/em> of things (phenomena of one kind  or another) that are also real. So  mine  is a  realism (of sorts). That  means that religious experience is real  experience, but that what it is  an experience <em>of<\/em> is a matter of interpretation &#8212; which makes  it  a matter of Peircian thirdness, or Batesonian <em>Creatura<\/em> (as opposed to <em>Pleroma<\/em>). That doesn&#8217;t tell you much, but it&#8217;s a starting point.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m  naturally  sympathetic to the position that the process-relationally  inclined theorists (Matt,  Leon, Adam, et al.) are working out, and will  have more to say about <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=C-NOYgEACAAJ&amp;dq=leon+niemoczynski&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=kZ8lTtiQOcXXgQeche2CCA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ\">Leon&#8217;s book<\/a>, which he sent me recently, in time.<\/p>\n<p>Matt includes a useful  summary of Whitehead&#8217;s cosmology <a href=\"http:\/\/footnotes2plato.com\/2010\/12\/09\/religion-and-the-modern-world-towards-a-naturalistic-panentheism\/\">here.<\/a> Here&#8217;s a snippet:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">Whitehead\u2019s  evolutionary cosmology, besides avoiding the bifurcation of nature into  organic v. inorganic, attributes the experience of \u201cenjoyment\u201d to all  enduring forms of order that arise amidst the cosmic process. Organisms  [I would say &#8220;entities&#8221;] do not just stoically endure their existence by  responding passively to the harsh givens of their environment; they  feel compelled to take the speculative risks necessary to deepen their  experience and enjoyment of existence.\u00a0 Evolution is the story of the  great successes of speculation of countless generations of diverse  organisms to come before us upon this planet and within this universe.  Every moment of our human experience as organized beings\u2014as  cosmotheandric organisms\u2014inherits a relevant past billions of years in  the making. Our human bodies are the accumulated achievements of the  decisions of ancient bacteria. Within the nucleus of bacteria are the  accumulated achievements of primordial hydrogen atoms who suffered a  transmutation into heavier elements within the core of a prior  generation of stars. Life seeks not just survival, but an increase in  the intensity of its enjoyment, which is to say a refinement of the  contrasts available within experience for conceptual valuation. In  short, the more capable an organism is of perceiving and expressing  truth, goodness, and beauty, the more evolved it is. The desire to move  toward the end of heightened experience is described by Whitehead as an  adventure of ideas. This desire, or Eros (divine lure), is the reason  for evolution from simplicity to complexity. Deeper beauty, purer truth,  and greater goodness are the ends of Eros.<\/p>\n<p>His citing of Blake is also quite appropriate:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">1. Man  has no Body distinct from his Soul for that call\u2019d Body is a  portion of  Soul discern\u2019d by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul  in this  age.<br \/>\n2. Energy is the only life and is from the Body and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.<br \/>\n3. Energy is Eternal Delight.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been involved in a debate in another (non-public) context over the relative  virtues of pantheistic (God=nature)  versus panentheistic (God is both  immanent and transcendent of nature\/the universe) metaphysics. The  position I took there was that we ought to look at these not as stable  and rival metaphysical systems but as generative Ideas,  thoughts-in-progress. The edge of the blade where the two, pantheism and  panentheism, meet is a very productive place for thinking. If  panentheism is seen as an immanence that is <em>open<\/em> to  transcendence &#8212; every becoming, which means every actual occasion, is  an event of such opening from within an immanent field &#8212; and if  pantheism&#8217;s nature is understood to be an open one, a <em>nature naturing<\/em>, a nature-in-becoming, then the two are really not that different at all.<\/p>\n<p>Of  course a panentheism so conceived, which is more or less Whiteheadian  (where God is not a creator, but a &#8220;becomer&#8221; and a &#8220;saver&#8221;)  finds few close friends among traditional  monotheist creationists.  (Polytheism is whole &#8216;nother story.) As for those committed to a  non-theistic working out of these issues, I would think that the  Spinozan move of equating God with the universe is at least a good  starting point for dialogue. I certainly agree with Levi, Tim, et al. that the nihilist  bogeyman is inappropriately being applied to speculative realisms like  OOO.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Speculative Realist blogosphere has recently been alight with debates over the role of religion, God, theism versus nihilism, the secular and the &#8220;post-secular,&#8221; and other such things. Since these are topics I&#8217;m naturally interested, and somewhat invested, in, I ought to participate, but time constraints have made that all but impossible for me recently. 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